r/HumansBeingBros Dec 08 '21 Faith In Humanity Restored 4 Bravo! 1 Silver 76 Gold 1 Helpful 105 Wholesome 92 All-Seeing Upvote 1 Take My Energy 1 Wholesome Seal of Approval 1 Evil Cackle 1 Helpful (Pro) 1

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u/Mange-Tout Dec 08 '21 Silver Wholesome Take My Energy

Keep this in mind: the Heimlich maneuver takes more force than most people think it does. Just like CPR, you might break someone’s ribs in the process of saving their life.

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u/jonnydemonic420 Dec 08 '21 Wholesome

I was a bouncer at a bar/restaurant and choked while on duty on a piece of candy by the door I was watching. Complete air way shut off, absolutely terrifying. We were all supposed to be trained in cpr/ Heimlich maneuver, I was but no one else was. Long story short, as I was about to black out and had shown the signal for choking the other bouncer closest to me thought I was joking. He almost let me fall out completely before realizing the seriousness of it. When you really choke you can’t make a sound, it’s terrifying. He beat the ever loving shit out of me, had no idea what he was doing but panicked and picked me up from behind and continued to punch me in the gut until luckily it flew out of my throat. He saved my life but I had to leave for the night with bruised ribs and pretty beat up lol. Worst fight I had ever been in in that bar lol!

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u/ramblinator Dec 08 '21

I was out at a pizza place with 2 friends and one of them starts choking, but the other friend and I don't realize it. Choking friend just starts punching himself in the chest and stomach while we just stared in shocked confusion. He ended up puking all over the table and our pizza.

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u/Rambonics Dec 08 '21

I’m glad he did that to make it apparent he was choking and as a desperate attempt to help himself. If you are ever alone and choking, find the back of a chair and throw yourself down onto it. You only have a couple minutes before you pass out. Also, I love that so many people in this video came to help this guy in the restaurant, but helping is different on an unconscious person. If you find them unconscious or they go unconscious during Heimlich and you don’t have the strength to keep them up you can lay them down to continue. Luckily they had enough strong people to lift his limp body. Do back blows and abdominal thrusts as hard as you can because their life depends on it. You don’t want them to end up unconscious because their respiratory distress will cascade into cardiac arrest & death. As a nurse, we’ve always been taught having unconscious choking victims on their back, but there are new studies that show proning unconscious people so you can continue hard back blows on known choking victims is helpful too. Whatever you do, start the Heimlich as fast and hard as you can and call for emergency help immediately.

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u/Ludde_12345 Dec 08 '21

Wait, that makes me think, why don't we just automatically puke when something gets stuck in your throat? Maybe it's not enough force or smth

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u/jonnydemonic420 Dec 08 '21

Whatever breath you have in your lungs when your airway becomes blocked is it. That’s all you’ve got to work with, and it’s not a gag reflex spot. I’ve actually choked twice, the first time young in 7th grade, that time I must have exhaled right before I choked because I was fading fast. Being in a shop class full of kids I couldn’t get anyones attention, and when I did they thought I was just being silly for laughs. I sprinted across the room and threw my arms up as I ran into a thick shop table making the piece of pen cap fly out of my airway.

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u/HistoryGirl23 Dec 08 '21

Some people donut still can't get enough air back into their throat. The lady I did the heimlich on choked on salad, vomited, but still couldn't breathe.

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u/Lotnik223 Dec 08 '21 'MURICA

In Poland at least there is a law that says that no one can be prosecuted for damages to ones body (like broken ribs) and property that were done while trying to save one's life.

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u/WindyCityAssasin2 Dec 08 '21 'MURICA

In the US it's called the "Good Samaritan's Law"

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u/ilovelampOG Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21 Helpful Today I Learned

A lot of people are unaware of this, but Good Samaritan Law also protects you if you call 911 for someone who is experiencing a drug overdose. Oftentimes people are afraid to call if they were also using drugs and the person ends up dying.

Disclaimer: there are caveats though - if you were the one who GAVE the substance to the person and they died, you could be prosecuted for murder.

Edit: 1. reckless homicide, not murder (thank you for pointing that out).

  1. There are a LOT of caveats to the Good Samaritan Law.

  2. My very first award! Thank you kind stranger! I am so glad you learned something new today!!!

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u/kduls24 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

US emt here, unfortunately Good Samaritan Law, doesn’t apply to everyone, anyone that’s a first responder, police, fire ems, it doesn’t apply to us, Good Samaritan Law protects those that have intent on helping others in need, but if the person has medical training, ie me as an example, I can be held liable depending on the situation. But in the event of an overdose, it’s exactly as you said it, as long as the person calling didn’t supply the drugs, nothing will happen to the victim and the caller if they both used

Edit: I’m referring to when we are on duty and off duty, as ems providers, ther is a level of care that we are expected to care and that’s why even off we can be held liable

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u/Wasabi_Toothpaste Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Good Samaritan law applies to you off duty. On duty is different, because then you get into duty to act, breach of duty, foreseeability of harm, standard of care, etc, because you are then a paid professional working under an MDs license to practice.

Edit: in MN, good Sam law mandates that you help even off duty, but that can just mean calling 911 and being on your merry way. And I did forgot to mentioned (and was corrected) that trained professionals helping off duty are still held to the same standard of care of their own certification or licensure.

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u/kduls24 Dec 08 '21

My understanding was that because we have to be certified through the state we live in, for me it’s our Department of Health we do it through, that on-duty/off-duty, it didn’t apply because we have the knowledge and know how when something does go wrong, but as long as we do no harm and benefit the person in need,then we are protected by it. But thank you sir/ma’am for clarifying that! Still gonna help those in need but I definitely feel better now that I know that!

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u/Irisheyes1971 Dec 08 '21

They vary by state. You really should check into your state’s laws.

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u/unnecessary_kindness Dec 08 '21

As a kid I watched an episode of this show which I can't remember now and was convinced you could get sued after a person in the show performed a cut in someone's throat as they were choking to help them breathe (I think!)

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u/xDiPnDoTz Dec 08 '21

Yeah doing that is called a Tracheotomy and isn't as easy as some shows make it seem haha

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u/snapcracklepop26 Dec 08 '21

I saw Father Mulcahey do that on M * A * S *H!

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u/DirkyJerky12 Dec 08 '21

I remember that episode! MASH is one of my all time favorites

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u/marcaweeks Dec 08 '21

Wasn't that the episode when they were on the broken-down bus? Frank Burns had some Hershey's chocolate bars with him that he had kept hidden. When it was discovered that he had them, he began to pass them around and I noticed that they had bar codes on them! I'm pretty sure they didn't have bar code scanners during the Korean War.

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u/Vorpal_Bunny19 Dec 08 '21 Wearing is Caring

Nah, the trach episode was with Father and Radar in a jeep doing something or other and they had to use the radio to get instructions from Hawkeye and BJ. I think it was one of the episodes where Mulcahey was feeling like he didn’t contribute enough to the unit and people, got passed over for promotion or something.

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u/DannyBoi699 Dec 08 '21

The Heat.... LOL

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u/Tomnooksmainhoe Dec 08 '21

Dude what a good fucking movie

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u/Takuukuitti Dec 08 '21

And medical professionals dont even do tracheotomy in most circumstances. They do a cricothyreotomy, which is faster and safer.

doing tracheotomy in such emergency situation without good tools just leads to injured thyroid, a lot of bleeding and you still arent sure whether the pipe in the right place

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u/ProviNL Dec 08 '21

I remember reading about a medic in WW2 doing a perfect Tracheotomy on the battlefield while under fire, they said it was amazing he managed it, especially since he was just a medic, not a surgeon. When the wounded man arrived at the surgeon he was amazed how well the procedure had been done.

Not very relevant but this made me remember this and figured i would share.

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u/dajohns1420 Dec 08 '21

When I was a lifeguard in high school, they showed us how to do it in first aid training. I always thought it was a little advanced for first aid.

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u/Homaosapian Dec 08 '21

Not sure in America, but in canada if you are performing first aid to someone you cannot be sued unless you go outside of your scope.

CPR and heimlich are within your scope, but tracheotomoy (incision in the throat to allow air flow) is not within your scope so you will likely be sued.

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u/billy12347 Dec 08 '21

"no officer, I was trying to SAVE them by shooting them in the head"

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u/lartufbd Dec 08 '21

Same thing in USA, it’s called the Good Samaritan Law

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u/Cryogeneer Dec 08 '21 Helpful Wholesome

Paramedic and cpr instructor here. This is correct. Anyone who has the heimlich done to clear an airway obstruction should be transported to the er afterwards for evaluation. Especially kids. Damage to the diaphragm, abdominal organ ms, ribs, etc., are all possible. Also, there may be small pieces of the food or object in the lungs that need to be taken out to prevent severe pneumonia.

If someone begins choking and the heimlich is needed, and there are other people there, ALWAYS have someone call 911 immediately. We have several options to clear an airway if the heimlich fails, but we need to get there quickly before brain damage occurs from lack of oxygen.

Remember, once the choking person goes unconscious, lay them on the ground and begin cpr. Every two minutes, check the mouth for the object, and if you see it, use a finger to sweep it out. Do not blindly sweep with fingers if you don't see anything.

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u/EggzBenedict04 Dec 08 '21

Ok but I’d rather have broken ribs than be dead

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u/SidkaSen Dec 08 '21

In my CPR class, it was told to us that "they're all ready dead, there's nothing worse you can do" in response to the statement that we would hear bones crack during chest compressions, especially for older folks.

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u/What-a-sausage Dec 08 '21

I have done CPR twice. Once it worked once it didn't. Both times it sounded absolutely disgusting and made me cringe after.

To be honest with the one that didn't I can't help but feel if they weren't dead before they would have been after because in my head I turned them to mush. Had to do CPR for like 20 mins before medics arrived.

I know I've probably made it worse in my head but it was by far the most disturbing thing I've ever done/felt/heard

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u/El_Grande_El Dec 08 '21

Idk what to say but I think you are a hero! I hope aren’t affected too much. Maybe talking to someone could help.

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u/thelastlogin Dec 08 '21

I know I've probably made it worse in my head but it was by far the most disturbing thing I've ever done/felt/heard

Yeah, it sounds like maybe you're being way too hard on yourself and not giving yourself enough of a break. IT SOUNDS HORRIBLE, I would never want to go through what you did, and I doubt you are making it sound worse in your head.

In other words: please don't feel that you are or could in any way make too big a deal of it. It's a huge deal. If you haven't already, I suggest therapy addressing this, not that it's my place to give you advice. Good luck!

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u/suddenlycumbly Dec 08 '21

Hell, crack a femur if it means saving my life.

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u/Tim_WD Dec 08 '21

Before performing the Heimlich it is recommended to perform back-blows.

If the person is able to cough forcefully, the person should keep coughing. If the person is choking and can't talk, cry or laugh forcefully, the American Red Cross recommends a "five-and-five" approach to delivering first aid:

https://www.mayoclinic.org/first-aid/first-aid-choking/basics/art-20056637

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u/Peachmuffin91 Dec 08 '21

Yep, everyone should get CPR certified. I think it’s absolute bullshit they don’t teach everyone basic life-saving practices in school.

I got my CPR certification for infants-adults in one day, they also taught us heimlich, AED, epi-pens.

Basically all stuff everyone should know.

On a side note, most states have Good Samaritan laws in place that protect you from legal liabilities depending on the circumstance you don’t even have to ask for permission.

Nobody can sue you for performing CPR on an unconscious person.

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u/Anne_Hyzer Dec 08 '21

Cpr and first aid was taught to every person at my public high school. It was a whole section in gym class. Everyone had to learn and was tested on it as well. We were taught about the good Samaritan law also. I'm surprised every school doesn't do this.

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u/Mackinstyle Dec 08 '21 Helpful Wholesome

CPR:

  • do not take breaks. Coordinate with many people to take turns.

  • sing “Stayin’ Alive” to get the right pace

  • if you aren’t breaking ribs or convinced you’re about to break ribs, you’re doing it too soft. You’re trying to squeeze blood out of the heart and into the rest of the body.

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u/echocardio Dec 08 '21

You should not expect to break ribs on someone without osteoporosis. This is a myth based on the cracking sounds and sensations that comes with doing effective CPR - it's the cartilage in the sternum you're breaking, not ribs. If you're performing CPR in the right place and break ribs you're going to end up with a flail chest. If you're breaking ribs chances are your positioning is too low on the chest.

I've always found it easier to count seconds and perform two per second, rather than singing a song. This also allows you to count for rescue breaths.

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u/Mackinstyle Dec 08 '21

Wow fascinating. Thank you for the correction and details!

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u/t3lp3r10n Dec 08 '21

I wouldn't have guessed that he was choking, it seemed like he had a brain aneurysm or heart attack. Props for the people!

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u/Mitche420 Dec 08 '21

I was in an identical situation this time last year! I went from enjoying my meal to being completely blackout unconscious within seconds, all while not making a single sound (I couldn't if I wanted to, nor was there any need to in my head, as I didn't think I was choking until after I had been brought back to consciousness.

Every single person around me thought it was an aneurysm, the way my head just became dead weight.

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u/t3lp3r10n Dec 08 '21

Terrifying indeed. The guy looks like he dropped dead. Is there a way to understand if the person has choked? Like a sound or controlling the air way? How did they realize you were choked?

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u/Mitche420 Dec 08 '21

I will ask my brother later, but from what I remember being told after the fact, they didn't, he just have me the heimlich as a hail Mary as it was either try that or just accept that I was dead. Combined with the fact that we were all around the dinner table and eating, it was a reasonable idea. But as far as sounds go, I distinctly remember each of them saying it was completely silent.

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u/randoGee Dec 08 '21

Someone earlier posted that you check for a heartbeat first then listen for breath sounds and look for rising/falling of the chest and stomach. I can't scroll up on reddit for some reason, so I can't find the comment right now but I'm paraphrasing. Basically normally chest and stomach rise together with your breath. If the airway is obstructed, you might see the chest rising and stomach sinking in instead.

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u/table4tw0 Dec 08 '21

The lady who ran over first; she held his hand the whole time. It really gave me warm mum vibes.

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u/FluffofDoom Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

I fainted at a petrol station when I was in the first trimester of pregnancy. When I came to a massive bearded lorry driver was holding my hand and patting it like you would the back of a baby. I remember he was wearing a big sovereign ring. He left as quietly as he arrived when the ambulance came and the petrol station worker told me he'd been there from the start. That gave me warm mum vibes too!

Edit: vibes not votes

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u/Illustrious-Science3 Dec 08 '21

I was rearended by a lady texting to let a woman cross in the crosswalk. Texter was doing appropriately 40mph (64kph) and I was at a complete stop. Bent the frame of my car and I was trapped inside with a back injury until firefighters came.

The lady I stopped for stayed with me the entire time. She talked to me to keep me calm, asking about my job and telling me about her kids (I was then a teacher). She helped me call my parents and keep them calm while giving them the info they needed.

Sometimes angels are where you need them.

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u/Entire-Ambition1410 Dec 08 '21

And this is why texting while driving (or fiddling with the radio or anything else) is scary and illegal in some places.

*texting and driving is illegal, not the other stuff.

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u/SuperUltraLord Dec 08 '21

That’s interesting. Your lucky she was there when that happened, but it never would’ve happened if she wasn’t there. I feel like there should be a word or phrase for that.

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u/spottedredfish Dec 08 '21

I had a massive dystonic seizure (like a grand mal seizure except I was fully awake)in hospital after receiving an epipen...It was so scary until a wonderful lady ran in and grabbed my hand.

Epipen saved my life while the warm mum vibes of the hand holding lady saved my soul!

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u/bluebird_dk Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Thanks for sharing that! Think of all of the helpers which may come from reading this. I'm not confident in life saving skills, so if someone else can take over on that, I'd love to help support/save someone's soul with a hand hold during an emergency. Good to hear you made it out OK! 💙

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u/bigfunone2020 Dec 08 '21

I drove past a man passed out in a very busy street. A woman used her car to block traffic and held they guys head in her hands off the cold ground while I talked to 911 and gave them directions to us. She was so kind checking for blood with her bare hands. He was an older man, not very clean, possibly homeless. It is people like her that give me a spark of hope that all is not lost in the US.

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u/spitfire07 Dec 08 '21

I'm a fairly stoic individual but there are certain things that will always make me cry. ASPCA videos, soldiers returning home and surprising family, and random strangers coming to the aid of another.

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u/monsteraroots Dec 08 '21

I thought she was checking for his pulse

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u/Bhoriss_Viahn Dec 08 '21

THIS. loss of conciousness. if she lost the pulse, CPR would have been indicated. she acted perfectly considering there were plenty of people to help for the airways obstruction. she chose a role, kept it, stayed calm. I want this lady with me when I lose conciousness!

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u/Irisheyes1971 Dec 08 '21

I think at first she was also checking for a pulse and helping to stabilize him physically. Then when the others had it somewhat under control she held on to continue to comfort him.

She seems like a great person. One I’d definitely want around if this happened to me or anyone else. Not just to help us, but to “help the helpers.”

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u/Royalchariot Dec 08 '21

I woke up in the ER after a severe car accident. I was barely conscious when they wheeled me into a hallway and prepped me for head and neck xrays. I remember laying there staring at the bright white ceiling trying to wake up and understand what was going on. I was terrified and in a lot of pain. Somebody came by and adjusted a blanket that was on me to cover my feet and kind of tuck my feet in. Suddenly I realized I was cold (probably in shock) and was so grateful and thankful that someone had done that for me

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u/tetrisHD Dec 08 '21

I had an allergic reaction to chemotherapy, quite scary, so I felt like I couldn't breath and saw my hands purple. All the nurses and doctor from there ran and helped me, but one of the nurses hold my hand all the time while my eyes where trying to describe what I couldn't say with my mouth. A truly scary moment but anytime I come back for my chemo session I wave and smile (mask on) that nurse. She is always so kind.

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u/Galaxy_Hitchhiking Dec 08 '21

Buddy who did the Heimlich even masked up! Safety first aha

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u/1fatsquirrel Dec 08 '21

I know this may be a dumb question, so I apologize. But how did they know he was choking and to start the Heimlich? Like clearly he needed medical attention but what was the sign that he was choking vs had a stroke or something? I’m asking so I know what to look for if someone isn’t clearly and obviously choking.

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u/kenhutson Dec 08 '21 Wholesome Take My Energy

I have no idea in this video. But in real life if someone has an obstructed airway the main sign is something called seesaw respiration. Usually, when you inhale your chest and abdomen expand due to your chest filling with air and your diaphragm pushing down into your abdomen which makes your belly push out. With an obstructed airway your chest does not fill with air, so when your ribs try to expand the chest the diaphragm moves the other way, up into your chest, which in turn sucks the belly in the way. It is called seesaw because the chest and abdomen are moving different ways in-out if viewed from the side of a supine person.

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u/AnonymousFlamer Dec 08 '21

I don’t actually think this guy choked though. He showed virtually no signs of the typical symptoms.

I think he fainted due to any number of reasons and came to a few seconds after, the abdominal thrusts were done as a precaution, in case.

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u/Graye_Penumbra Dec 08 '21

My dad has something called “Schatzki's ring.” It doesn’t necessarily cause choking, but he tried to take a drink to help swallow/clear the obstruction and it just put pressure on an artery. It looked just like this. Went from normal behavior to passed out in seconds. Heimlich was the fix. While he wasn’t choking, the obstruction needed to be cleared to relieve the pressure. Everyone was pretty freaked. Could be something similar happening here.

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u/randoGee Dec 08 '21

Did yall know he had it before this incident?

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u/Graye_Penumbra Dec 08 '21

No. He just complained previously about problems swallowing sometimes. It was diagnosed after that incident, when he got checked out by the doctors. Apparently pretty common and treatable for severe cases. I have the same thing, only milder. It sucks when something gets hung up and the size of the food doesn’t matter. It can be small like half a peanut and your esophagus starts going into crazy mode.

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u/randoGee Dec 08 '21

Crazy. I think I might have to see how myself and my mom can get checked for this.

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u/Alec09_ Dec 08 '21

how do you know if the person fainted or or had a heart attack?

I’ve take a BLS course and ik you should check for pulse but sometimes, especially in high stress situations like these, you won’t be able to know for sure (I’d mix up my own heart beat with his or something)

Do you think it’s best to just start CPR anyway?

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u/ColdSoak Dec 08 '21

I’m a BLS instructor. We always teach that if you are unsure if a pulse is present, you should begin CPR, but NEVER begin CPR without first checking pulse and breathing. If you take a carotid pulse, it should be very easy to tell if a pulse is present or not.

The most important skill of BLS is not CPR, it is the ability to maintain composure and situational awareness. That’s really difficult to teach in a classroom.

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u/Mikeinthedirt Dec 08 '21

Absolutely. You have a little time, a minute is quite long really, but assess first. No need (or help) to panic.. People get Heimliched (broken ribs and all) with no obstruction while still conscious.

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u/Rickrickrickrickrick Dec 08 '21

Yeah looked like he had an aneurism or something and people just ran up and started doing the heimlich

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u/klabnix Dec 08 '21 Silver Giggle

Maybe just an introvert choking

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u/mseuro Dec 08 '21

People choke to death the bathroom because they’re embarrassed and panicking

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u/klabnix Dec 08 '21

That’s sad to hear. I saw a recent post here about how to self-heimlich which would be useful for people to know as well

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u/dsrmpt Dec 08 '21

I have almost died of an allergic reaction in the bathroom. Twice.

I have since learned not to go to the bathroom during an allergic emergency, but rather towards a crowd of people, but it sure takes some effort and isn't my natural response.

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u/Rickrickrickrickrick Dec 08 '21 This

"Die or have to speak to someone... tough choice."

Although I have a panic disorder and I almost drowned one time to the point I passed out and woke up next to a pool coughing up water. I think panic attacks feel way worse and scarier lol. It's like drowning but for no reason.

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u/tragiktimes Dec 08 '21 Wholesome

Also, if you see someone grabbing their neck with both hands it's considered the universal choking sign.

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u/LifeHasLeft Dec 08 '21

I think he’s asking “since he was already unconscious, how did they know it was airway instead of some other condition?”

The comment you replied to explains it well, they could have also checked his pulse and felt/listened for breaths. No air coming out while the heart is still slowly beating means airway, and there’s also the logical inference that choking is a highly likely possibility since they are in a restaurant.

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u/rpostwvu Dec 08 '21

Well 2 people were very near him and did not notice him panicking which I would have expected from someone who is choking.

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u/ramblinator Dec 08 '21

Not necessarily. The desire to not create a scene is really strong in some people and they may believe they can handle it themselves. There are a lot of stories of people choking but not wanting to bother anyone, and thinking they can handle it, they leave the room and end up dying because they were alone.

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u/HistoryGirl23 Dec 08 '21

Especially running to the bathroom in testurants

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u/Sufkin Dec 08 '21

Drooling, semi unconscious (at this case since he was about to fall unconscious from lack of air) gagging and of course lack of breathing

If you see someone unconscious you check for pulse first and if he doesn't have any you start CPR and call to emergency line

AND REMEMBER bad CPR is better then no CPR

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u/Anthony_chromehounds Dec 08 '21

Very, very excellent point. Everybody young and old should learn and be proficient in CPR.

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u/risingmoon01 Dec 08 '21

They taught us in our high school swim class & I still think it's probably the most valuable thing I learned in HS, despite never having had to practice it in 20 years (knocking on wood RN). Its more relevant to most peoples everyday life than knowing Pi to 5 places.

It should be a part of every athletics class in HS, IMO.

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u/katreddit-kb Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Not a dumb question at all - if someone is conscious you can ask them if they are choking, if they’re unconscious then you lay them in the ground, check for breathing, if no breathing you try to blow a breath into their chest, and if it doesn’t go in then you do heimlich in the laying down way. People who haven’t been trained probably don’t know all this and default to standing heimlich, which is better than nothing for sure.

Edit: I’m not a doctor this is just how I learned when I was a lifeguard years ago

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u/Steise10 Dec 08 '21

But if they're choking on a chunk of something, blowing into them might push it down further.

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u/me_mattdaspy Dec 08 '21

PRF on the cops’ shirts meaning “Polícia Rodoviária Federal”, meaning it happened somewhere in Brazil

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u/BadassShrimp Dec 08 '21

That’s right, definitely Brazil.

Aquele cara nunca mais pode reclamar de uma multa por radar móvel. Hahaha

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u/me_mattdaspy Dec 08 '21

😂😂😂 tá devendo a alma pros cana r/suddenlycaralho

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u/wonkey_monkey Dec 08 '21

They're all undercover paramedics.

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u/seu-madruga Dec 08 '21

Brazil, indeed! More specifically at a Graal restaurant in Pariquera-Açu (SP). More info here (in portuguese)

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u/noximo Dec 08 '21

Then that means that piece of food was an undercover cop.

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u/Bannsir Dec 08 '21

Why does there always have to be such cringe fucking music attached ? Its so annoying

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u/EduRJBR Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

At least it wasn't "Oh no, oh no, oh no no no no no".

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u/TotalCuntrol Dec 08 '21

And in this context, it would have been highly inappropriate lol

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u/_LightFury_ Dec 08 '21

You made me laugh

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u/CpTKugelHagel Dec 08 '21

Fucking tik toks is at fault here (or it's predecessor Musicaly, but that wasn't as popular as tik tok) tik tok degenerated people's brain into thinking that cringe music and vertical filming is the right thing.

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u/kyzen142 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21 Silver Wholesome

Dude must have had social anxiety to choose to choke in silence than to ask for help damn.

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u/LlamaLoupe Dec 08 '21 Silver Helpful Wholesome Starry This Today I Learned

just a first aid thing that might help someone : people who are seriously chocking don't make a sound. If there's sound it means air is passing through, which means you can start with firm slaps on the back, middle of the shoulder blades with the person leaning forward, before going full Heimlich. Your goal is to make them cough before getting all up in their diaphragm. Talk to them ; if there's enough air going through + blows on the back, they should be able to make themselves cough. If not, then you can start Heimlich.

No sound = serious danger, should still do at least 5 hits to the back before Heimlich.

If they fall fully unconscious you should start CPR and call emergency services.

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u/gdaaayyy Dec 08 '21

It's also possible to not even know yourself it's that serious, so I've heard. My mom went into the washroom during a family dinner once because she felt rude coughing at the table. She was just starting to realize it was getting worse not better when a relative followed her in and gave her a solid slap on the back, and a little piece of food she hadn't even felts was stuck came flying out. She's now much more vigilant about monitoring others who step away to cough elsewhere.

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u/awrylettuce Dec 08 '21

my mom once did the same, we were outside BBQing and she just got up and walked away. Eventually collapsing, apparently she had one of those tiny tomatoes stuck in her throat but didn't want to ugly cough facing everyone so she just decided to idk, die on her own? we got it dislodged but it was just so dumb

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u/rditusernayme Dec 08 '21

Sounds like this wasn't in the current Covid times... But I imagine going forward people are going to be a LOT more hesitant about coughing in group settings...

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u/NABDad Dec 08 '21 Silver

If there's sound it means air is passing through, which means you can start with firm slaps on the back, middle of the shoulder blades with the person leaning forward, before going full Heimlich.

Just wanted to point out the importance of that phrase. You should not slap a choking person in the back if they are upright, as gravity can cause the dislodged item to fall down farther into the trachea.

Just make sure you bend them forward before slapping. It can also spice up date night.

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u/WolfofLawlStreet Dec 08 '21

I just realized, what if you’re eating alone in your apartment and start to choke like this. Lol what would you do?!

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u/irontan Dec 08 '21

My wife has always referred to it as the "hymen remover" And it always makes me laugh

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u/Never__late Dec 08 '21

This exact thing happened to me. I was just listening to some music, reading. Heard a pounding that didn't quite go with the beat. Got up and checked the peep hole just in time to see some woman collapse against my door. She was blue as a smurf, so my mind was just like "yep, choking." I heaved her body up and went into mad Heimlich mode. I ragdolled her. After about 1.5 minutes, she pops out nearly half a cow plus everything else she had that day. Scary afterward but adrenaline is a hell of a drug.

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u/mule_roany_mare Dec 08 '21

Jesus.

I’m imagining the alternate universe where you were wearing headphones & found a dead woman at your door before work the next morning.

Congratulations on your good dead & good luck, good person.

I had a friend (deceased) who was an army medic who in his civilian life had performed CPR 6 or 7 times over the years… of which every person died. Succeeding is probably a lot nicer, but he always tried. The sad truth is CPR rarely works even when performed properly.

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u/Recent-Character6231 Dec 08 '21

I had this exact situation happen and as someone who has dealt with choking issues multiple times during my life I headbutted the fridge and knocked myself out because I was certain it was the end and I didn't want to suffer. Woke up not long after with a massive head ache and the biggest egg this world has ever seen and the dry chicken breast next to me on the floor.

It's crazy I didn't die from smashing my head on the tiles when I fell, I guess I didn't. 5 years later and no brain damage problems yet, we'll see I guess. If only I knew the Self Heimlich Maneuver.

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u/CptCroissant Dec 08 '21

You probably had brain damage previous to that since you thought the best course of action was headbutting the refrigerator

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u/Pianos_for_Clowns Dec 08 '21

If they fall fully unconscious with their airway blocked, wouldn't CPR be ineffective?

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u/anactualcharliehorse Dec 08 '21

Nope, the blood in the body still has oxygen in it and chest compressions move that to the brain, keeping it alive.

Chest compressions without (or with ineffective) rescue breaths still produce a huge difference in survival chance.

I urge everyone to go to a basic CPR class because misconceptions like this are normally addressed and it can save people's lives.

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u/Chat00 Dec 08 '21

Is this just while waiting for the paramedics to arrive? Who will then try to unblock the airway?

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u/anactualcharliehorse Dec 08 '21

Anytime you see someone who is unconscious and you can't see, hear or feel breathing, get someone to call an ambulance and then you start CPR.

Once you have started, the only time you stop CPR is if they come back to life (unlikely), a medical professional tells you to stop, or you get too exhausted to continue.

Chest compressions are the most important thing, the paramedics can deal with bringing them back to life, but chest compressions stops their brains from dying so that there is an actual human to bring back to life.

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u/Schweeger Dec 08 '21

We would continue CPR but we would intermittently check his airway to see if we could remove whatever he was choking on. Performing compressions increases pressure in the chest which could force the object up the trachea far enough to grab with forceps or fingers.

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u/SubTachyon Dec 08 '21

Afaik 90% of CPR is the heart massage. Keeping the blood flowing is the most important thing, even if no more oxygen is being introduced via breathing. Might buy the person the much needed few minutes before brain damage sets in.

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u/modility Dec 08 '21

Blood O2 levels are good enough even if their airway is blocked! Rescue breathes during resuscitation are not as important as just making sure that blood continues to flow, providing oxygen to the brain.

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u/Pianos_for_Clowns Dec 08 '21

Good information!

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u/CjBoomstick Dec 08 '21

The idea behind it has less to do with circulating oxygen in this specific example, and more to do with not knowing the cause, or length of oxygen deprivation. Respiratory failure will cause cardiac arrest, which will require CPR.

If someone has an occluded airway, for a time long enough to fall unconscious, their brain is already oxygen deprived. Compressions both squeeze the heart, and cause forceful exhalation.

As well, just because someone has fallen unconscious with food in their mouth, it does not mean they're choking. Clearing the airway is definitely a priority, but so is a pulse check. If I find EITHER no pulse or an occluded airway, I would start CPR given the loss of consciousness.

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u/Mitche420 Dec 08 '21

Nearly choked to death while sitting at the dinner table surrounded by family this time last year, can confirm it was complete silence. Felt like a slight bit of indigestion, the last thing I remember was making eye contact with my sister and then next thing I know I'm coming back into consciousness, with my brother after give Ng me the heimlich and the rest of my family screaming and crying. They all thought I had an aneurysm.

Choking can be completely silent. If I was eating by myself that day, or if my brother that knew the heimlich maneuver hadn't been there, I'd 100% have died

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u/BarklyWooves Dec 08 '21

You can make a sound by banging on the table then signal at your throat once people are looking at you

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u/nousonestla Dec 08 '21 Silver

I remember reading under an other post that it's actually somewhat common for choking people to go into the toilet room because they are too embarassed to "cause a scene" in the restaurant and they think they will manage it by themself. Then they die without anybody beeing able to help them. I dont know how true this is but I would'nt be surprise.

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u/Moat122 Dec 08 '21

I know I'd be apologizing after that if I was in his place for causing them to panic "the scene". You're not mistaken.

Edit: glad he's safe and thanks for the wonderful people.

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u/Almost_Sentient Dec 08 '21

I've actually done this. Work curry event. I went off to the toilet in silence and managed to cough it up. I had to go to the doctors the next day because I felt all scratched up in places I'd never felt before.

As soon as I'd got rid of it I realised how bloody stupid it was to go off to the toilet rather than risk making a mess in front of colleagues. For a few seconds it felt like it wasn't coming out and I was going to die in there.

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u/acwill Dec 08 '21

I made this comment a while back. I’m sure others have, too, but my point was that too many people die quietly in a bathroom because, just like you said, they don’t want to “make a scene.” If you’re choking or having any other kind of medical emergency, MAKE A SCENE!

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u/plotplottingplotters Dec 08 '21

He took ‘die quietly’ a bit too serious

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u/AFlockofLizards Dec 08 '21

One of my friends was at Thanksgiving and his girlfriend’s sister started choking, but didn’t want to interrupt dinner, and instead excused herself to the bathroom to deal with it. That couldn’t have gone terribly wrong lol

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u/biggles_zero Dec 08 '21

This happens enough that it gets mentioned in basic lifesaving classes. (see other comment further down!)

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u/garbfink Dec 08 '21

I know someone who did that, roast dinner, a bit of beef got stuck and he went to the bathroom without telling anyone and never came out alive. I wasn't at the dinner and he wasn't a close friend, more of an acquaintance really but damn!

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u/skeptical-spectacles Dec 08 '21

Omg 🥺 how horrible

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u/SecondBee Dec 08 '21

When you’re choking you can’t ask for help because you can’t move air around to make speech work. I mean he could’ve caused more of a scene by banging on the table, but I just want people to know that you literally can’t make words happen when you’re choking. It’s a lot quieter than we think

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u/DeaconNuno Dec 08 '21

I thought everyone knew the universal sign for “help me, I’m choked.” You put your hands up to your throat and get someone’s attention. It should be pretty clear what’s going on when you start changing colors.

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u/muddyrose Dec 08 '21

It’s a universal sign because it’s usually a pretty common reflex

I’ve choked before, when I was 7. I wasn’t thinking about universal signs, I just knew I couldn’t breathe and was grabbing at my neck in panic

Thank god my mom was a nurse, she saved my life! Multiple times lol

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u/Mitche420 Dec 08 '21

This exact situation happened me last year, I went from eating, to food caught in throat, to unconscious within what seemed to be 2/3 seconds, although I was told by other people that I stared forward for a couple of seconds with my eyes glazed over before my head smashed off the table. I literally didn't have time to even put my hands to my throat or give any indication that I was choking

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u/Aomory Dec 08 '21

It should be pretty clear what's going on when you start changing colors.

Your comment is great and helpful and all but that line made me laugh more than it should.

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u/SulkySyndrome Dec 08 '21

This is so serious situation, I really feel nervous, Thanks God he is ok

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u/Shughost7 Dec 08 '21

Instantly muted

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u/Snufuu Dec 08 '21

I don't understand why people put music on a video of someone nearly dying but oh well

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u/lowleveldata Dec 08 '21

Because movies do that so they think why not

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u/boombeard Dec 08 '21

Seriously the worst trend ever in movie making. Music has a place.. but it's over used. Some of the best movies make use of silence in an awesome way.

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u/EaterOfFood Dec 08 '21

I had mute on. Was it Yakety Sax?

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u/Nimmyzed Dec 08 '21

"I'm outta ma he..."

NOPE

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u/Never__late Dec 08 '21

"making my way downtown..."

DIE

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u/whatnametohave Dec 08 '21

Came here to say the same. So sick of shitty 'feel the loving moment' music. Damn kids!

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u/LifeHasLeft Dec 08 '21

Seriously who put music over this

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u/cmdrDROC Dec 08 '21

Should be top comment

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u/RuzzT Dec 08 '21

I'm so fucking sick of every damn video of any damn thing having some trash ass music ear raping me.

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u/nippleodion Dec 08 '21

I am single and i live alone. Man, imagine you are eating dinner watching netflix suddenly your dead grandpa standing beside you saying: it is time my boy, was your life fullfilling? 'GRINS'

Moral: With proper marriage one can get proper choke in bed, while prevent improper choke on dinner table

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u/HomoCarnula Dec 08 '21

Check online, there are resources about how to do the heimlich on yourself. Handy knowledge for everybody living alone xX

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u/nippleodion Dec 08 '21

I ll def check it to keep gramps at bay lol. Ty

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u/BeneficialEvidence6 Dec 08 '21 Silver Helpful

Also check online for a wife. You can just order them, its nuts

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u/905Tassy Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

you basically get in a position where you are going to do a pushup and just drop your body straight down letting gravity do the work. Keep repeating until you cough it out. Very valuable life lesson

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u/HomoCarnula Dec 08 '21

Oh that sounds even less complicated than the chair version

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u/aknutty Dec 08 '21

I had to do it once. Get ready for pain because for it to work it's gonna hurt. You basically have to jump as high as you can and belly flop with all your weight on the back of a chair right into your abdomen and lower ribs.

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u/Matilda-17 Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

Ages ago, I wasn’t single but my boyfriend was out taking our dog on her evening walk and I needed to take these horse-pill-sized antibiotics I was on. Ended up getting the pill stuck in my throat, couldn’t breathe, couldn’t swallow, and just stood there like ‘I am going to die in the five minutes before they get back.’ Ended up vomiting all over the kitchen counter and breathing again before he was back with the dog, but it was years before I took any kind of pill by myself.

Edit: AND I had just cleaned the kitchen, which was a big thing because I was a messy person AND sick, so I barfed all over my freshly cleaned counter. Insult to injury.

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u/theOTHERdimension Dec 08 '21

I swallowed a pill capsule that got stuck in my throat and it opened. I was coughing because I couldn’t breathe and the powder from the capsule shot out of my nose and burned like hell. I was alone in my car at the time and I couldn’t catch my breath, I started gagging and honestly was scared I was going to pass out and die. It probably only lasted like 2 minutes max but it was one of the scariest experiences of my life! I will never swallow another pill without water.

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u/EaterOfFood Dec 08 '21

Did you end up taking that pill or did you get a new one?

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u/Matilda-17 Dec 08 '21

I took a new one and I cut it into quarters first! Then spent a week worrying about missing one dose of an antibiotic.

Oh and it was for a throat infection to begin with (strep I think) so that was extra fun, getting all scraped up in there.

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u/ThatSquareChick Dec 08 '21

I’m a type 1.5 diabetic. I use insulin just like a regular type 1 but mine showed up when I was 35. I sleep like the dead, comes from doing time, you learn to sleep through everything. As a result, I don’t know if I’m having a low event, it doesn’t wake me up and my alarms don’t either even though they’re set to go off until I fix the issue.

If I didn’t have a loving husband who honestly gets that there’s a combination of problems here that are my issue but not necessarily something I can fix, I’d be dead.

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u/Throwaway163796 Dec 08 '21

When I was a teenager I was home alone eating Maltesers (for non brits it’s a ball of puffed malt covered in chocolate) and I started choking on one. I couldn’t dislodge it and tried to self heimlich on my chair but it just tipped over. I remember blacking out thinking what a stupid fucking way to die. While I was out it dissolved as they do and I came to. Throat was bruised to shit and I could only take soup for a bit, which id have done anyway because I developed a terrible fear of eating solids for a long time after it.

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u/MajorEstateCar Dec 08 '21

Grab a chair and put the back of it against your diaphragm under your ribs and thrust your body weight into the top of the chair. A counter top or other hard and stable surface will work as well.

It will take more force than you think and will take a lot longer than you think. It could take 50-75 thrusts so don’t wait before you start. I’m the meantime, grab your cell phone, dial 911 and just leave it on the counter on speaker. You can always tell them you’re fine when they get there.

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u/dutchcourage- Dec 08 '21

OP was not a bro for posting this with sound

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u/Micheal42 Dec 08 '21

Thank you my fellows, wherever and whoever you are, I'm grateful for you <3

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u/Rydel6 Dec 08 '21

Jesus Christ, PRESS MUTE

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u/WarExciting Dec 08 '21

This made me have hope. I’ll never forget when I was in a restaurant with my pregnant wife having breakfast. There was a couple with a small child sitting in another booth. She suddenly looked at the child and started screaming “he’s not breathing!”. The husband scrambled to the child and the wife looked up, scanned the restaurant and clearly said “someone please help us!” …. Fucking crickets…. I scrambled out of my chair reviewing everything my wife and I had recently learned in parenting classes. Halfway to their table, I heard the kids crying, the most blesses crying I ever heard! I almost passed out the relief was so great. The mother hugged and thanked me while crying; the dad was mad-scared-relieved and didn’t say anything. We were the only three people standing up, in a restaurant full of adults. I left that restaurant pretty disgusted with humanity…

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u/gavin_devine Dec 08 '21

So he started choking and just lay down to die?

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u/KeyDox Dec 08 '21

This can happen very fast. If you swallow food after you breathe out and your lungs are out of air and then you choke, you black out within seconds

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u/GibTreaty Dec 08 '21

So always breathe in before swallowing, got it

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u/_Diskreet_ Dec 08 '21

When I have my lunch later I’m now going to be over thinking just breathing. Thanks.

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u/Nerowulf Dec 08 '21

Careful not to breath your food down into your lungs though.

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u/Punchee Dec 08 '21

Who fucking engineered the air intake to share the same tube as the food intake?

Absolute fucking bullshit system. The fish have it right. Breathe on the side of your head and eat with your mouth.

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u/TheDirtyFuture Dec 08 '21

Jesus Christ. I’m only going to eat intravenously from here on out.

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u/Crakla Dec 08 '21

As far as I know the initial symptoms which makes you black out are caused by too much CO2 building up in your body, so it is the not being able to exhale part which causes you to black out

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u/JellyBellyWow Dec 08 '21

"guess I'll die" taken too seriously

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u/GoodNameInnit Dec 08 '21

If this happens to you and you can't make a noise, swipe something off the table of flip it to cause a noise and draw attention to yourself. Immediately focus on surviving, forget all other social conventions. It'll help people react more assertively too. First guy wasn't doing the heimlich very strongly, security guard really saved the dude imo. Don't worry about breaking ribs, just restore airflow. Don't be a hero either, get a strong tall guy in there as quickly as you can

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u/cleverness_eluded Dec 08 '21

The unnecessary music accompaniment earns this a downvote.

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u/Kkykkx Dec 08 '21

I muted it immediately

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u/sayamortandire Dec 08 '21

Yep. Was in the uni library. What a shame.

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u/Venatordeus Dec 08 '21

This kind of music makes it really cringe to watch

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u/yupverygood Dec 08 '21

Wtf is this music

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u/Sir-Pomegranate Dec 08 '21

I like how people just helping someone that could be dying is accompanied with "inspiring" music as if its something incredible and not something practically everyone would at least try to do. Do y'all think 99 percent of people are evil to the core or and this is some kind of incredible act of utter kindness or something???

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u/ArugulaLess7299 Dec 08 '21

I had to do the baby heimlich once and it took some strong jabs to get it out. So scary but you gotta be brave and just do it! Save a life!

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u/Vyan_of_Yierdimfeil Dec 08 '21

I'm confused. People who are choking don't normally just pass out. You'd think he'd start panicking and motion for people for help. I'm not sure if I'm just dumb as fuck and don't know what's going on lol

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u/REZA7XZ Dec 08 '21

This might sound crazy but there are a lot of people who are too shy to ask for help even if their life is in danger. Poor man also might have thought it would be embarrassing to show a sign that food is stuck in his throat and he’s choking

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u/fakeitilyamakeit Dec 08 '21

Hah that would be me. I just hope to God this does not ever happen to me… or to anyone else. But if it happened to me I would be too shy to hassle anyone around me to ask for help.

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u/helpavolunteerout Dec 08 '21

Had a friend have this happen to her after choking on a chip. Flopped limp on the couch with no breaths coming out anymore. I heimliched her conscious again, but I think it has something to do with your brain not getting oxygen

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u/Scanlansam Dec 08 '21

A chip?? This whole thread is horrifying I always assumed like hotdogs and grapes were the only danger foods:/

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u/muddyrose Dec 08 '21

Chew yo food

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u/JohnBrown42069 Dec 08 '21

Forreal. I guess it was a choking thing since the Heimlich solved it, but it really looks a lot more like an OD or something.

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u/AintSh_tIAM Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

I was thinking epilepsy or he fainted. It didn't seem like choking, more like a faint.

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u/TheHallowedOne11 Dec 08 '21

It looks like dude was choking on it for a while and was to afraid to say something then just fucking passed out. Or passed out from panicking from joking. I wish it would show more before it happened