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Biden order would make US government carbon neutral by 2050

https://apnews.com/article/climate-joe-biden-technology-business-environment-and-nature-caee9ef67c7274ee2a9399f5c9b1976e
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u/strongapril2021 Dec 08 '21

2050?. A very long way to go for sure.

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u/fatcIemenza Dec 08 '21 Silver

This order will be erased by the next Republican administration. So it really has zero teeth.

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u/ioncloud9 Dec 08 '21

Even if it was a law passed by congress they’d either ignore it, not enforce it, drag their feet, or some other bad faith way of not implementing it.

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u/EveryShot Dec 09 '21

Yeah, no way this is getting implemented and I think he knows that but is trying everything he can to change the narrative that he is really accomplishing very little.

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u/ITriedLightningTendr Dec 09 '21

By accomplishing nothing

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u/hitemlow Dec 09 '21

Doesn't matter which party is in control, once it looks like it will be "expensive" to meet and/or unlikely to meet the target, it will get quietly withdrawn by whatever administration is in power for the 2048-2052 term.

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u/Leopold__Stotch Dec 09 '21

Similarly once it’s obviously the cheaper option it will happen very fast

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u/CatalyticDragon Dec 09 '21

Which is already happening though it would have happened decades ago if we hadn't continued giving the very profitable fossil fuel industry trillions and trillions of tax dollars every single year.

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u/itslikewoow Dec 08 '21

The solution to that is to not elect Republicans.

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u/thisispoopoopeepee Dec 09 '21

There’s quite a few states where democrats have a super majority and total control. Those states could implement a public option for healthcare, nothing is stopping them.

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u/CatalyticDragon Dec 09 '21

Funny just how often people will cite Republican obstruction as the reason why popular and much needed policies raised by Democrats are doomed. Yes, and there is a very clear solution to that.

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u/SlitScan Dec 09 '21

the solution is to elect republicans until democratic party consultants, strategists and the dinosaurs they prop up realise they cant make a buck without their base.

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u/Domeil Dec 09 '21

This has got to be the dumbest thing I'll read all week.

"The democrats aren't do enough to address climate change, so I should reward the people who say climate change is a hoax. That'll fix things."

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u/siggy940 Dec 09 '21

Generalizing,...at least for America.

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u/TheShishkabob Dec 09 '21

This was a comment about American politics, of fucking course it was going to be about America.

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u/HaloGuy381 Dec 09 '21

And not even close to enough. Just the government alone, and 20 years too late.

On the upside, increasingly it looks like I could pick up any number of unhealthy habits; with the world going to hell, I won’t be around when life comes to collect on all the fun.

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u/ALPB11 Dec 09 '21

I swear the goalpost keeps getting pushed back on climate while the time we actually have runs out faster

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u/ldwb Dec 09 '21

Believe they meant to say 2022 when Republicans will be able to stop Democrats from doing anything again.

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u/SlitScan Dec 09 '21

look at the title, they arent doing anything now.

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u/JordanRUDEmag Dec 09 '21

Yes, but it's not because they can't. Yet.

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u/sean488 Dec 09 '21

Not really. 28 years goes by quick as fuck.

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u/citroen6222 Dec 09 '21

Not really.

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u/sean488 Dec 09 '21

Yeah it does.

You'd know this if you had experience in the matter. Ask anyone 50 or older.

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u/citroen6222 Dec 09 '21

Why would I? You and/or anyone older than 50 isn't any more qualified to speak on the subject :)

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u/sean488 Dec 09 '21

28 feels like forever if you're only 22.

To anyone with a kernel of experience, we know better. Experience gives you qualification.

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u/Brainsonastick Dec 09 '21

The research is pretty clear that older people perceive time as moving faster than it really is. So it’s not so much that you’re “more qualified” as your brain has gotten worse at tracking time.

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u/Treyen Dec 09 '21

It's the lack of significant events. Childhood and early adulthood are full of things that seem important and new experiences. Then you get older and more and more life is just doing the same shit every day until you die. The brain doesn't really track all that boring nothing, so it seems like time is moving faster and faster.

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u/sean488 Dec 09 '21 edited Dec 09 '21

No.

We have experience with how long it takes to get people to get off their assess to do anything.

28 years to get an entire society to change it's habits is fucking fast.

Edit: by "society" I mean all the people who are employed by the government. This includes the military. The Army is still driving vehicles built in the 80's. The Air Force is flying airplanes built in the 50's. The majority of the navy runs on diesel fuel. The Marines... well... Crayons are made of paraffin wax which comes from crude oil.

There's no way this entire society is going to truely be carbon neutral in just 28 years.

I guess if you don't count them (the big polluters) that government buildings could be carbon neutral by the goal date.

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u/citroen6222 Dec 09 '21

I'm not talking about subjective feelings. 30 years is 50 years too late, despite you're misguided opinion.

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u/sean488 Dec 09 '21

What kind of car do you drive?

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u/potatoesarenotcool Dec 09 '21

You've solved climate change.

Nonce.

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u/JordanRUDEmag Dec 09 '21

What's your mother's maiden name?

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u/This_one_taken_yet_ Dec 09 '21

Climate action is always 30 years away.

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u/PlebsicleMcgee Dec 09 '21

"We'll get to work just after it stops being my responsibility"

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u/churchin222999111 Dec 09 '21

and the end of the world keeps being 5 years ago.

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u/StThoughtWheelz Dec 08 '21

the end of that sentence is "we hope"

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u/kslusherplantman Dec 08 '21

Or: until the next presidency

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u/Poignantusername Dec 08 '21

Kinda like when Regan removed the solar panels that Carter had installed on top of the Whitehouse.

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u/Real_TwistedVortex Dec 09 '21

Wait what?

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u/TitsMickey Dec 09 '21

Carter installed solar panels. Reagan removed them. The reasoning was they cost too much to operate. I’m unsure how that can be when they just sit there and collect light. Maybe they were coin operated. I don’t fucking know.

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u/ceapaire Dec 09 '21

Early ones were pretty fragile and nowhere near as efficient as new ones. It could be that the cost to maintain/replace them was more than the power they generated.

Don't know if that's the true reason but it's certainly a plausible explanation.

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u/K0stroun Dec 09 '21

Both placing and removing them were purely symbolic gestures.

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u/weealex Dec 09 '21

Symbolism is half the point of being president of the US. You don't get the bully pulpit and do nothing

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u/thisispoopoopeepee Dec 09 '21

Those old ones where trash and where quite expensive to maintain

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u/Domeil Dec 09 '21

If we got rid of taxpayer funded stuff because it's trash and expensive to maintain we wouldn't have a military.

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u/SlitScan Dec 09 '21

Carter got the last laugh, the investments he made started the nose dive in solar prices leading to where we are today with solar being the cheapest energy source.

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u/MutatedFrog- Dec 09 '21

“You have cancer and could die in the next 7 months. Luckily, our hospital can cure you in about 10 years”

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u/Opetyr Dec 09 '21

"We can cure you in 10 years unless we need another ED or hair loss drug to make first."

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u/JhymnMusic Dec 08 '21

So.... Nothing. Okay then.

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u/Atralis Dec 09 '21

I declare ..... CARBON NEUTRALITY!

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u/cathbadh Dec 09 '21

You can't just say carbon neutrality and expect something to happen

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u/JordanRUDEmag Dec 09 '21

He didn't say it; he declared it.

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u/igankcheetos Dec 08 '21

Does this include the DoD?

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u/resilient_bird Dec 09 '21

It almost certainly can't unless technology changes dramatically, which it might, but not by 2050.

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u/im_super_excited Dec 09 '21

I wonder what the payload and range would be on a B-52 EV

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u/CarlLinnaeus Dec 09 '21

Probably not. But GSA has a VERY large fleet of vehicles. And think about how many federal buildings there.

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u/SamuraiJackBauer Dec 09 '21

Wow! This is fucking worthless!

Thanks old man.

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u/mrvibenwatch Dec 08 '21

Even if we reached this goal wouldn't it already be way to late to turn things around?

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u/GoArray Dec 08 '21 edited Dec 08 '21

This is just the federal government. While good, pretty insignificant.

So, even if 'they' reach the goal, it won't matter unless we do too.

E: earlier this year they were talking about a 40% cut to federal emmisions, or "the equivalent of pulling 5.5m cars off the road". There are around 300m cars on the road alone.

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u/lettruthout Dec 08 '21

Agreed. In addition to insisting that our governments change, we can change.
Look at it like a game: "What can I do today to make things better?"

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u/JA14732 Dec 08 '21

We could also demand that companies like Coca-Cola or BP to be regulated and made carbon-neutral and offload some of the cost from the little guy to the mega-polluters.

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u/lettruthout Dec 08 '21

Right. And at the same time buy no products from those companies (or related ones). We need to do both.

The game is fun: "Today I'm buying no packaged beverages." "Today I'm not driving the car."

'Feels good.

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u/Amerisu Dec 09 '21

How about, "Today I'm not having kids."

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u/thisispoopoopeepee Dec 09 '21

Then i guess say goodbye to the welfare state

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u/Amerisu Dec 09 '21

Don't worry, there are lots of kids. You can adopt one some idiot already made by accident.

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u/L3monGrenade Dec 09 '21

It’s already too late

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u/wilhelmstarscream Dec 09 '21

Every administration has said that. They just keep kicking it down the road.

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u/Shape_of_influence Dec 09 '21

Not soon enough and he will be long dead. Nice punt

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u/No-Arugula-1045 Dec 09 '21

I wish I had the energy or intelligence to look up the goals that the govt said would be enacted by 2020. I bet there’s some Jetson’s level shit in there!

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u/CerddwrRhyddid Dec 09 '21

That's about 7 decades too late, but ok.

It doesn't matter anyway. It's not like anything like this ever sticks and stays.

Unless it's tax breaks for corporations and the rich.

Reality T.V.

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u/maraca101 Dec 09 '21

Bitch I’ll be old as hell by then.

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u/JordanRUDEmag Dec 09 '21

Just in time to get into politics, lucky you!

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u/petaflopbopper Dec 08 '21

Only 30 years too late!

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u/MalcolmLinair Dec 08 '21

And it'll be rescinded by the next Republican president. This is meaningless posturing, nothing more.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

Exactly. This shit won’t stick past 1 Republican administration, it means nothing.

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u/nixrero Dec 08 '21

Everyone saying it will be eliminated with the next conservative government: you guys are being very optimistic, I believe this administration itself will repeal it.

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u/9035768555 Dec 09 '21

Why repeal what you can just pretend never happened?

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u/RapNVideoGames Dec 08 '21

Just a little lobbying and back to normal

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u/GoArray Dec 08 '21

"Wth is this? I want it gone."

"..but sir, you.."

"Gone!"

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u/Yashema Dec 08 '21

Not really meaningless, and a reminder to not elect Republican until they have reformed and started acting on the interests of everyone in this country.

For the next 3 years at least this carries legal weight.

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u/jctwok Dec 09 '21

President Joe Biden on Wednesday signed an executive order
to make the federal government carbon-neutral by 2050, aiming for a 65%
reduction in planet-warming greenhouse gas emissions by 2030 and an
all-electric fleet of car and trucks five years later.

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u/NewsLife_247 Dec 09 '21

EOs can be thrown out by the next administration. I guess thanks for trying?

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u/Opetyr Dec 09 '21

Not really trying. It is like a PR campaign that means nothing.

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u/[deleted] Dec 08 '21

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u/JMartell77 Dec 09 '21

I'm 32, and all of these fuckers both R and D have been in office since my parents have been teenagers, I have this horrible sinking feeling half of them will still be alive when my kids are 32 as well.

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u/Awkward_Bowler Dec 09 '21

and all of these fuckers both R and D have been in office since my parents have been teenagers

Yep. I remember staring down the barrel of Bush vs Clinton again in 2015 and just knowing that no matter what, this country is gonna be fucked. Never expected Trump coming down from the rafters like that, or how terrible things have gotten since then, but I'm sadly not surprised at all...

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u/blackchoas Dec 08 '21

oh boy, no way the next president could just completely countermand that order right? Good that he's doing it but that future date is meaningless, what are you doing with the time you have now, setting goals for someone else later is literally meaningless.

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u/bivife6418 Dec 09 '21

The next US president, or the one after that, can simply tear up this so-called "order" or just ignore it. And nobody will dare to do anything about it.

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u/mces97 Dec 09 '21

Just in time to sell that beachfront property in Kansas from climate change.

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u/Nutter222 Dec 09 '21

They say would instead of will, because it won't.

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u/DieSystem Dec 09 '21

Now we need to solve the problem of clean water because mining has never been kind to the environment.

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u/silashoulder Dec 08 '21

“It’s not my problem, kids!” says Biden.

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u/[deleted] Dec 09 '21

Yeah... What is the governments track record again for meeting goals? (Not any particular administration, but US government in general)

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u/BlishBlash Dec 09 '21

30 years... for JUST the federal government.

So anemic.

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u/trapkoda Dec 09 '21

We are going to fucking die :D

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u/neckos Dec 09 '21

This is true regardless of climate change

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u/Fominroman2 Dec 08 '21

15 years after the earth has melted

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u/notaredditer13 Dec 09 '21

Because making an order/statement saying you will make it happen makes it happen, right?

How about an order saying the government is going to build a hundred nuclear plants by 2050? That would make it happen.

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u/eorld Dec 09 '21

Seems like a bit of closing the barn door after the horses are long gone

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u/EarmuffsForCars Dec 08 '21

or by 2080 at the latest.

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u/lettruthout Dec 08 '21

Then later: "Who knew it would be so hard? But 2090 for sure."

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u/midtec9 Dec 08 '21

If you allow us to postpone it to 3090 we will give you all rtx 3090s

-govt

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u/Basedandtruthpilled Dec 09 '21

Biden was voted in with the intention of being a literal doormat. Now he’s literally the least popular president of all time because he can’t just sit down and shut up.

Dude needs to get a clue and stop fucking up every single thing he does.

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u/Fat_tata Dec 09 '21

I like it when he randomly starts shouting. And then whispering.

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u/mitchb0016 Dec 09 '21

Lemme get this straight…. The gobernment out here making lots of no no gas then using our tax. Then using our tax dollars to clear the slate.. then acting like they’ve done something really good…

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u/Dick_Dynamo Dec 08 '21

What a coincidence, I vowed to have my life figured out by the same year.

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u/GeometricRazor Dec 09 '21

If you wait 30 years to do that, the planet (which is on the brink of fucked)... will not survive.

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u/myotheraccountiscuck Dec 09 '21

The planet will be perfectly fine. Some of the organisms on the planet won't.

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u/Doctor420Strange69 Dec 08 '21

While I think this is an important goal, it’ll get repealed by a conservative court or the next Republican president.

If we want to be serious about fighting climate change, then the US needs to go to a war footing. Climate change has the capacity to destroy us, but we’re choosing to do nothing or do piecemeal policy.

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u/jupiterkansas Dec 08 '21

It took decades to even convince Republicans it was real (and some still don't believe it) so I don't think were going to make much progress.

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u/Nobok Dec 09 '21

Psst just a little fyi..FYI... you don't need the government to make rules and regulations to force change.

If society wants to change it just do it with out BS government oversight and bloat. Heck it will prolly make it cheaper and easier to not have moron politicians involved in it.

Screw large government, let the people be the people!

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u/No-Arugula-1045 Dec 09 '21

Good point. Who needs power plants, highway systems, police and fire departments, hospitals, airports, seaports, the passenger and cargo rail systems, water treatment plants, sewers, NASA, the FAA, FDA, CDC, NIH, FBI, national defense, public schools and universities, or the postal service. It’s all government bloat! If people want these things, they can do it themselves!

/s obviously

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u/thisispoopoopeepee Dec 09 '21

Arent power plants, hospitals, cargo rail mostly private?

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u/roshistarpupil Dec 08 '21

Does that mean the USA military is ceasing imperialism? /s

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u/lettruthout Dec 08 '21

That's a good point. Isn't the military the number one polluter in the US?

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u/4cgr33n Dec 08 '21

Greatest global polluter.

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u/GoArray Dec 08 '21

Not "in" the US. Bam, loophole!

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u/eks91 Dec 08 '21

Military going green electric, battle hummers lol

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u/formerNPC Dec 09 '21

Most of us will be dead by then and ALL of the Republican obstructionists will be dead by then!

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u/TauCabalander Dec 09 '21

I don't think Mitch currently even has a pulse.

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u/Kahless01 Dec 08 '21

we could do it by 2035 if we werent whining cowards. we used to have the attitude that we can do anything. now we just cry if its not something we can easily finish in a year and not make us have to change any of our terrible habits.

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u/TheFatMan2200 Dec 08 '21

And it will be reversed if Democrats lose in 2024

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u/wulfpacker1 Dec 08 '21

By 2050, the planet will be carbon saturated.

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u/Atlhou Dec 09 '21

Population problem solved

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u/soda_cookie Dec 08 '21

Lol until Republicans undo it their first chance after getting the office back.

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u/sillyhobbits Dec 09 '21

I'll believe it when I see it. If it's something Biden is signing the next guy is just gonna revoke it just as easily...

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u/spellingerror Dec 09 '21

I am sure the his war with China and Russia will off set that.

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u/L3monGrenade Dec 09 '21

Wow, about 70 years too late

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u/resilient_bird Dec 09 '21

There is no way whatsoever this would have been achievable by 1980 without significant decreases in quality of living.

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u/potatoesarenotcool Dec 09 '21

Quality of living is pretty shit in a destroyed planet

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u/jdoreh Dec 08 '21

Ok. Now do student loans.

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u/thisispoopoopeepee Dec 09 '21

Then Reagan gave us the first wave of wealth consolidation

That was mostly due to globalization, and the digitization/ tech boom.

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u/jschubart Dec 08 '21

We need to actively work toward being carbon negative. Climate change will not stop unless we do.

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u/SuperDangerDong69 Dec 08 '21

Good, now abolish the filibuster and pass it into law.

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u/itslikewoow Dec 08 '21

That's on Manchin and Sinema

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u/CritaCorn Dec 09 '21

Will we even be around then?

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u/Definately_Not_A_Spy Dec 09 '21

Until the next president trashes it

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u/seriousquinoa Dec 09 '21

Will we be burdened with a person carbon tax, per individual, based on purchases and belongings?

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u/Darnocpdx Dec 09 '21

Only about 28 years too late....cool beans.

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u/LemonFreshenedBorax- Dec 09 '21

[Privatizes anything requiring carbon] There. See? The government is neutral. Aren't you glad we did this?

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u/kojimin Dec 09 '21

There won’t be a US in 2050

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u/chase1986 Dec 09 '21

Sure it will joe sure it will .

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u/little_bit_bored Dec 09 '21

Way to kick that can down the road you fucking fossil.

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u/jms25mannh Dec 09 '21

A bandaid on a gaping wound fifty plus years too late.